Please dont stop your discussions; this is highly entertaining! Cash valve does not belong to the client; it belongs to the insurance company. At age 70, if you follow the FNA, you will not need insurance except a small burial policy. I understand that I do not make any money from recruiting and that earnings are based on the sale of products. I do not wish to carry on this rebuttal since there really is no positive outcome. (Sour Grapes), : You speak of Primerica spinning off of Citibank? (Thats Marketing 101, another lesson Ill teach you another time). Then they have a leg up. DId you figure out what is a better way yet? Our motto: Replace Primerica Term (with less expensive/better term), and invest the difference. now what if they offer the Legal plans as a group benefit? Oh By the way did you forget our Camps for the Japanese-Americans? Wall Street Journal once said the only person who says Insurance is a great savings device is the salesperson selling the garbage. Do you walk on water? and ppl quit because primerica does not fire agents and those people can not make the amount of money they want. Do you commit any other moral crimes? Michael knows if he did this stuff across the kitchen table he would be laughed out of house. Primerica is a financial services company which uses multi-level marketing to promote and sell their products. But why not talk about the products you sell, if you can defend them. (In favor of the Owner). Assisted living facilities typically come in several different forms including board and care homes, retirement homes, and group homes. Bottom line is: Term is better than Trash Value, Fixed loans with a debt elimination plan are better then ARMs and Neg.AMs loans, getting out of debt is better than being in debt, Mutaul Funds are better than leaving your money in the bank, Building a successful business is better than a successful job, if there is one. Oh yes I do know a few things about M.Fs, Annuitites, Remember they are sales people and sales people get paid on commission, mostly. I do understand since you are the donkey pulling the cart, but please try to understand that this is better than the beginning years. What are the benefits of what PFS can offer compared to what can be had outside of PFS? Lack of spell checking is something that you can do easily. I am curious everything you suggest cost the clinet more and make you more money. . How mnay people looking for some part-time income can afford to pay that out? Not to mentionask any Ed Jones broker how long it took him to become a brokerpretty much a LONG LONG RETARDED LONG TIME. the worlds best term. This industry is not right for everyone, especially netwrok marketing..if you cant take the heat, get a job !! I just go a call from you village, you are being missed. It only matters in the absence of value. If you work for Primerica you will too. Or they will have a person who may be a CLU be their direct contact person for help with cases. Who likes their insurance company so much that they want them to have more money? So you sell the newest and most recent thing before it is tested. All the money books and magazines say this. They say its a forced savings plan. lower cost 1. I knew something was up, because I have no kind of financial experience in my work history, and when I mentioned this, he said that my background showed that my experience in the manufacturing industry showed that I had good comunication skills, even though nothing in the resume would have necessarily implied as much. Its human nature and lifeplease get over this one as well. Id like to throw in my thoughts as someone who has recently joined Primerica. Please read any book from Suze Orman or Dave Ramsey or any competent adviser, and you will see the truth. To help support our reporting work, and to continue our ability to provide this content for free to our readers, we receive compensation from the companies that advertise on the Forbes Advisor site. ), IN Michaels/Thomas state of California this is worth over $2000. You recognize that it takes a substantial period of time for PFSHMI to earn a return on its investment in the products and services it arranges for you to market. Thats going to be expensive. Lets use Edward Jones for example (not picking on themjust using them). So does that mean the bottom of the list is a rip-off? No, thats just their price for your class and group that you fit in. With primerica, less risk/less reward at first, i get to give it my best shot part time, and If i am good at what i do, I have a chance to have my own office and have a 6 figure income. What Michael says and sells, and what Primerica sells. But paying for something you hope you never use is a waste of money That is the extra policy fees. You CAN move up to the top, and get this, WITHOUT becoming competition for the person that was your trainer. I know what I know and I constantly search for what I dont know. Securities TEst and License Sneaky things agents will do to cheat, lie and steal from their clients. YES..I RESEARCHED FOR SIX MONTH ( a bit irrational but Ill make my point, soon.) NOthing that means more of his commissions go to his family. The only factor is who gets there first. Were you part of that group Michael? As I became bigger and better in sales making more money, I kept adding to them. Well why isnt a fully guaranteed premium better than a partial guarantee? I do the insurance part-time and it woks great for me. So as you say PFS saved you they also may limit you in business. World Financial Group is a Transamerica-owned company that sells financial planning services, such as savings, insurance, and retirement products. This is something lacking in cheaper term. And what is the value you bring? So let us see, Yours is cheaper, but to use the features it cost me money. (James said this is important. (It is a story) Those that prepare are usually looked at like lucky, by those who have not. And you can be terminated. Just like if you were go to the gym and look at the equipment doesnt mean you worked out. And who wants a copy when they can pay for the original. They are willing to come over and help them out when they have a question. When PFS does get sold, they will have to make some changes. I did list facts you chose to CHERRY PICK. Sooner or later the counselor runs out of people to hit up and they quit working for Primerica. (OOPS this is free to clients too. And what woudl someone do if for 7 years, the bank kept his monthly deposits he was saving for his kids college? Now if you want to take all the risk of not having money for your insurance in later years, please do a variable univeral life insurance. Since I have not ignored your posting why do you think it is ok to pick and chose what you comment on. Insurance companies that sell cash value, make more money on those products, they will use the Term as a loss leader. But unlike Joes Insurance and A.C. Repair, Primerica keeps an Eye on what the agents do, and do not do. But then again anything to sell the policy. So it cost you, the independent, over $2000 to get the same things it cost the Priemrica agent, $99. If you dont stand for something, youll fall for anything and lose a potentially amazing life od happiness. -. and try to get those people to do the free analysis. **Tom exactly where else would they get the rates from? Term is cheapest in the beginning, as you get older it and have quote run it will be more expensive. Im a junior. 2) The amount of information you learn about finances (as n non financial person such as myself) is simply unbelievable. I get it from my job considerably less than anywhere else. And not have to go through a maze of people in another country that really do not know how to speak the english language. As for being a MLM, do you understand the only difference between a JOB and a MLM is that in a MLM you have a chance of being the person on the top of the pole. Oh man back to the ROP issue You cant get the full license, so you improvise. Or did you forget the S and L problems. It is how many of the toner Pirates keep in business. Primericas only has guaranteed for 10, 15 and 20-year. I guess that is something you do not understand. ( Imploding is when the policy lacks enough money to pay for the insurance anymore. the only problem is that people Like Michael and James both say that since they are not doing it the cheapest, it is bad. Its about pushing their own product period. You say AIG is a great company to buy term from, correct? North American Company for Life and Health Insurance Me as being a prospect thanks to this I have all my info and if guys like you have something to hide and if you are ashamed of being called an agent contracted by Primerica then there is something wrong. They have changed the loan center from Irvine to Nevada. And this is something to look forward to since you only do it once. I am curious, how many middle american families are those? If you want to follow Michaels lead, go with the easy sleazy money. But remember you are basing your ability to sell, on price. Either in a lesser product or they are planning to make money somewhere else. Remember, if you are offering an ROP policy it is real easy to explain to the client how it works unless you are one of those sneaky sales people who want to win. And we dont have brochures or ads laying everywhere. 7. Slowly moving up the ladder the commissions are split between each level. . So why are you selling this to the wrong person. . If you are using History, why not look at the history. Something to consider would be to use an Annuity and a ROP.. That Primerica is not the only game in town. When I first was being recruited by Primerica, I was led to believe that I was an owner of my own business. Again Tom like you said, Can you do better, possibly. Until you have been with the company you cant say what truly happens. Now that I know what Banks do with GIC Im tolally mad at them for taking advantage of me. So you hate Primericawho cares? As I said before, in Primerica, every agent is under an RVP and the policies are scrubbed at the office level. also, during the time you take your trainer to qualified appointments other people are going to see what your doing and want to join your business. I was not restricted to only sell or repair one brand. Only as a courtesy, I do not have to do this. Ask around. I am curious do you use your given name or are you hiding behind a different name? These products are all relative and based on the client. Since you are focusing on the 18 year old, how many are those around? , And you will always be a salesperson. Well that opens up the door for other products to be offerd to the employees or the business owner. Tom there are reasons why some policies have a lower cost. I found out an agent can offer products that can fit the need of a client rather than selling a one size fits all program. I was called out of the blue from a Jerry a PFS agent, and I really do not know how he got my number. Just dont put retarded stuff on the internet and shoot darts in the dark hoping your internet slander will really make a difference cuz you just seem like a whole life agent trying to stay above water. Who likes to see the ass kisser get the good assignments? It just doesnt make sense when a company ask you to pay them for you to work for them. This means that they can get the insurance with out going through medical check. How many people build many strong legs? Your and Michaels clients are middle american families. Since your lack of knowledge is evident here, How are we to trust your memory. I have seen some of the training. So, instead I decided to search for legit sources. If youre interested in these types of life insurance policies, youll need to work with a different company. Some are guaranteed so he can keep it. Primerica offices are all run independently. Unless you select option B then you are paying extra for that benefit. You are right they do get paid, but they do not do it unless it is right for the client. You have to be full time to become RVP . that would scare me more. funds equal to 8% as well These levels according to their order of importance Because they cant. Bad times.. You have said there are companies, show tell us which ones do? I would say that is pretty honest on our part. Nobody ever talked about term before Primerica. NO!! - just one product. . One of the referrals I gave to my friend who was an agent, had some term that was good. Disability insurance is a product PFS currently does not market but, it is really a product PFS has never marketed. And Since My Dad was trained as an Engineer, and taught me many things about it I am an engineer. Most sales are done because of a connections. If it increases then you are really not paying anything more. I also am glad you eat at the finest restaurants, sleep at the finest hotels, and drive the finest cars. Do they know where to look? Investments may vary based on the persons risk evaluation. Wouldnt be a shame that the insurance policy you buy from Michael because it is cheaper, is not enforce when you need it? (Up to your limits) Home Owners insurance protects you from any accidents and loss you might have since you are owning the property. So here is the model. And, other opportunities have better services, better incomes and more liberal guidelines. Please tell me of when buying term and investing the difference is not a good. You admitted you sell products that are not good for your clients. (Citigroup did, however, Primerica is not Citigroup). I work for a large commercial building repairing a/c equipment. Primerica has no loyalty towards you they will do whats in the best interest of the company as you should do whats in the best interest of you and yours. (Last time I saw it, that was 4 million per family.) )they are just not even close to people I listen to. Its about pushing their own product period. It si sold to your client by a cash value company that will call and harass their client to convert. I would like to ask the former PFSers who are taking part in this discussion a few questions (and for those who are involved with PFS like Dave you can certainly feel free to chime in as well): 1)Primerica claims to have been named the king of term by consumer reports (a fact that I was never able to verify). How about there past practices? NO they would have never bought either policy if I had not set an appointment with them and spent time trying to help them know what kind of coverage they need. Newspapers and independent advisers. And, the tax benefits are very differeny between S corp and 1099 agent. February 27, 2023 | 11:39 AM. The procedure for calculation and payment of these commissions will be as provided from time to time by Primerica Life in commission schedules and Operating Guidelines. From what I understand I guess not. Tom says: More compensation: This means one of two things, either the company is taking less, or the customer is paying more. We talk but then they find out who I work with in Primerica and then they get off the phone. I really think they are brainwashed into using the same statements and into behaving in this manner. If I had a business in your neighborhood that only sold CITI products and services and I was successful at it. If they dont offer it they dont need to know about it. Most people that were in the market would say youre giving me a job, sure when do I start. Your Securities (investment) commission is HORRIBLE.. there is NO WAY you could live on it alone .. add it up. ps. Having letters behind your name means you paid for the letters. Did you ask why? Which one do you want to have? But then again why not buy term and invest the difference? Considering your an expert, answer me this. Giving up Legs, Training Sales: Let me ask you a simple question. They made a choice. You asked why selling only PFS is bad. How is it team driven to take away income from someone? Then theres Long Term care. That is one of the key things. It is also depends on the race too. In fact, I will encourage them to do so. Then you can be ok. Yes you might have been but it has been almost a decade. 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